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Musiaba Schenoly
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Posted - 2012.11.03 16:10:00 -
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btw another thread in "Features & Ideas Discussion": https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2131149#post2131149
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Musiaba Schenoly
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Posted - 2012.11.04 09:15:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:Tinja Soikutsu wrote:is CCP even going to acknowledge this at all? They've acknowledged it privately, and are actively debating it internally. They did roll out one of the proposed fixes in the last few days, so someone is doing something, we think. I'll send
It seems more, that they don't want to know anything about this, I assume now.
Customer service says thats everything working like intended and forum posts where devs are maybe watching were deleted ( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132121#post2132121) |
Musiaba Schenoly
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Posted - 2012.11.08 06:28:00 -
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Nymeria Wolff wrote:
as i responded...
so disbanding my corp to get out of a war dec isnt against the rules??? thats not what ive heard ..... so to avoid a "working" mechanic is to break a rule?
I dont need the bs response as i know that they have admitted to war decs being broken and missused....
their response....
While players may say they are exploiting or abusing game mechanics, CCP is the ultimate authority on what consists of an exploit or abuse of game mechanics.
Fail! The customer is the "ultimate authority" @ccp
And more and more I begin to regret for paying my accounts in the light of such answers concerning obvious exploits of one of the most importat game mechanic and denying of all what about addon Inferno was annouced before. |
Musiaba Schenoly
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Posted - 2012.11.08 08:14:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:I actually don't advise cancelling your accounts. CCP are working on the issue, and they do intend to stop me. They will fix wardecs "soon". They're just working hard to make sure the Retribution expansion goes off without any major bugs before they start tweaking interrelated game mechanics that could interact in unexpected ways. One step at a time, and it's likely that we're the next step.
Maybe they work on this issue, maybe not - but they are unable to comunicate with the comunity about such an important and obvious issue, ...again after Incarna  |
Musiaba Schenoly
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Posted - 2012.11.08 21:11:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Hello guys, thanks for the mail, and I'm happy to give you an update on the situation here. Essentially the issue is this - the team that was responsible for the wardec system overhaul was never allowed the room in their sprint schedule for proper through on the wardec system following Inferno's release. They were assigned Bounty Hunting as the headline feature for Winter, and the pressure on them has been to finish and deliver Bounty Hunting first and foremost.
This leaves wardecs in a completely unacceptable state in the meantime, ...
o7
Ok, first of all ty for an update on this issue finally.
Second: This all seem reflect (once again), that ccp dont understands what could happen:
Not only the most advertised feature of Inferno addon but also a key gamemechanic of Retribution is obviously a "trap" for everyone in this mmo who wants to use it:
So fixing it not till Retribution would be rediculous and cant be intended seriously.
This - in combination with an completely floping "customer support" would even mean that ppl cant use key-properties of eve-online for more than a half year.
After presenting this in our circles I heard for the first time of my 4 years eve carrer more than one thinkings about demanding back money through complaints for these months till it would be fixed finally.
Brib Vogt seems to foretell already something like that, too.
Ppl WILL unsub if they get furtherhin suggested to reform their corps for every war which they have to declare as mercs for the next time.
Not the mechanics of mutual wars is the problem thereby, but the fact that there is so less to fix to get it running well combined with ccp's behavior and prioritys makes so many ppl angry and frustrated again.
After 6 weeks of no information there IS no patience anymore tbh - everybody is thinking hard about his next steps. |
Musiaba Schenoly
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Posted - 2012.11.08 21:16:00 -
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qDoctor Strangelove wrote:So..
As long as you START no wars, there is no trappings and no issues, right?
lol as long you are not use Inferno features u are (still) save... true |
Musiaba Schenoly
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Posted - 2012.11.08 23:21:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:The team working on war decs is the same one that is charged with making Bounty Hunting for Retribution, which is one of the highlight features for that expansion (it's looking pretty good too). No amount of posting will get that priority switched up.
So sry for bothering you and thx for helping ccp to keep the forums clean, dude.
From first post to first statement of you guys 44 days were gone and you want to tell us something about amounts of postings?? This ISN'T a sign that you r even NOT sitting on your hands, even every peti-reply I heard about ends with the demand to post it on the forums.
I guess you do also not understand how serious some ppl that issue take concerning trust in ccp's ability to care for money worth quality in the future.
Nevertheless beyond the impression csm is to tame representing player bases interests thx for the further informations. |
Musiaba Schenoly
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Posted - 2012.11.09 11:44:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Trust me, Noir. is "trapped" by Dec Shield; it's not really that serious. I'd rather encourage CCP to take the time and get it right.
So if this is what you really mean - we don't have to wonder.
Encourage ccp to take time developing new stuff is in our best interest, telling em not to fix hot used exploits in key gamemechanics of current AND upcoming addons are not.
May there a "nice sized list of issues which is showing me real progress" what you said - isnt THAT the problem again: Hole alliances are stucked in current gamemechanics exploits, players cant earn their plexes, corps cant join new alliances, ppl will unsub because of no progress ingame and in ccp's policys - and we shall wait for NEW development steps - fixing (maybe) old probs and creating new ones?
Yea you may have to pick your battles but the biggest issue with ccp, I guess the whole community agrees is
Brib Vogt wrote:
TO CCP:
Before you add new crap FIX the old stuff!!!!
So Alekseyev, I would respectfully suggest you may even lead that battle here and not maybe somewhere in future may (or may not) next major issues coming up and your own entity cannot deal so well with then. |
Musiaba Schenoly
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Posted - 2012.11.09 12:40:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Since you can't spell "Iceland," I'll take that bet.
CCP Punkturis wrote:I wish I was as smart as you
????????????????
7 weeks after posting an exploit here came csm and dev finally - to barrack a player more committed than other in that game?
What is that here - election campaign and local smack during drink time???
Here he posted his suggustions you "DEV" https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2149824#post2149824
I like em more than your analysis here...oh wait which? |
Musiaba Schenoly
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Posted - 2012.11.09 13:42:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:I promise you Alexeyev is giving it proper attention and we're also making plans, stuff just doesn't happen on the forums all the time 
In other words: You heard of it the first time...? |
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Musiaba Schenoly
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Posted - 2012.11.09 15:35:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Brib Vogt wrote:Alekseyev Karrde is CSM and a player of EVE. I do not know if he gets payed for what he is doing. I do not. I don't even get to go on a plane. But troll tears *are* an excellent fringe benefit... Also, they ARE working on it (edit, as in right now while you type at them and distract them with laughter). *read* before you *type* I may not get payed at all but Punkturis doesn't get paid enough to make good code and show deference to such rude behaviour. Why anyone would white knight such an obvious and breathless troll against one of CCP's hardest working devs is beyond me.
sry man, but from a player to you:
this reply is poor and turns the facts upside down. |
Musiaba Schenoly
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:19:00 -
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CCP Tallest wrote:Permanent war decs will be fixed in Retribution.
We have made it so that in a mutual war, the original aggressor has the option of retracting the war.
And by "we have made it so", I mean Punkturis has made it so.
Thank you for the first clear state of ccp after 7 weeks, seriously.
I liked the new wardec / mutual mechanic and would really appreciate an further development in that direction (ofc without the exploit) in the future.
But as I wrote before: I guess its better to have an older but well working gamemechanic than a new and more attractive but broken one.
So I m thankful for your decision finally and thx for telling us here. |
Musiaba Schenoly
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Posted - 2012.11.22 03:04:00 -
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CCP Tallest wrote:Permanent war decs will be fixed in Retribution.
mhhh following ccp's latest dev blog ( http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73578 ) they weren't NOT able to understand the problems described here - and will not fix permanent war decs, I guess?
The main issue is copying wars unlimited - and "refreshing" them to new 7 days of lifetime doing it (instead to original payed lifetime for example).
In my impression - and following just the letters written down, not their intention quoted above - their fix will not fix it?
ZO needs just copy the wars between two entitys, to make em perma again, right?
Dunno if I shall cry or laugh about such unsophisticated game designers.
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Musiaba Schenoly
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Posted - 2012.11.22 21:07:00 -
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Musiaba Schenoly wrote:CCP Tallest wrote:Permanent war decs will be fixed in Retribution. mhhh following ccp's latest dev blog ( http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73578 ) they were NOT able to understand the problems described here - and will not fix permanent war decs, I guess? The main issue is copying wars unlimited - and "refreshing" them to new 7 days of lifetime doing it (instead to remaining payed lifetime for example) among other things. In my impression - and following just the letters written down, not their intention quoted above - their fix will not fix it? ZO needs just copy the wars between two entitys, to make em perma again, right? Dunno if I shall cry or laugh about such unsophisticated game designers.
So its confirmed.
CCP SoniClover wrote:The Zerg Overmind wrote:
The intention here seems to be to shift wardec favor back towards the aggressors because there are no longer consequences for biting off more than they can chew. Is the 24hr retraction timer a final solution or a stopgap measure for something else?
The retract war option is only available if the war is made mutual by the defender. So declaring a war is always going to lock you in that war for 7 days, unless a surrender (or this new mutual/retract) option is used, but that is not a one-sided decision by the aggressor.
If ZO will just makes the wars unmutual before the patch works he could further trap everybody as long as he wants because he can copy the wars between two entitys again after a week, I guess... .
The main issue is STILL creating (new 7 days) outgoing wars against entiys the "aggressor" never has known before - just by copying wars dodging the ally-system!
So imho the "fix" has just removed the inferno mutual possibility for a defender but has nothing changed concerning the dec shield issue what it was originally made for. |
Musiaba Schenoly
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Posted - 2012.11.27 07:59:00 -
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nat longshot wrote:Brib Vogt wrote:
I talk for at least 160 Accounts alone in my alliance and i know some of the alliance leaders stuck in dec shield too which feel the same. And i do all the writing here, because i want that only one guy from my alliance is answering here.
No your talking for your self not 160 other accounts your been a outright jerk and more to the point if you act like a jerk csm and gm and dev are likey to fire back. You have no clue what there working on and whats comeing. CCP Punkturis has all the right to fire back and if you ask me she was down right nice about it i have seen other post were shes fired back alot hard then she has.
******.
Its not the point whats coming, the point is that ccp has designed key features of LAST whole add on full of flaws.
Think about THIS
Reppyk wrote:But wasn't the "last expansion" all about wardecs ? They planned it for months, they worked on it for months, they had 4 months after the release to fix it a bit, and... Nothing.
Most of the exploits were found very shortly after Inferno (but nobody had the idea to use them at ZO's scale). And the "mutual wardecs are trapping the agressors meeeeeeh" tears has been around for the last two years (maybe more, I wasn't playing before that).
How can they miss that badly the main goal of an expansion ?
Dominion : about SOV mechanism (wait, it's as worst as it was, shooting SBUs instead of POSes).
Incarna : about Walking in Station (it didn't happen).
Inferno : about wardecs (which are so exploitable that nobody but a throwable alt would start a wardec).
What's in Retribution ?
So there is no necessity to defend ccp in that case in my opinion!
And CCP Punktoris didn't "fire back". As the first CCP employee stating after 7 weeks in this serious thread she hasn't nothing more to write than trolling other players.
For my own I m still very disapointed about this behaviour, and I fully agreed with Brib Vogt in that way!
Especially because the fix CCP Tallest annouced some hours after CCP Punktoris dubious "I promise you Alexeyev is giving it proper attention and we're also making plans, stuff just doesn't happen on the forums all the time" will NOT work, too.
The whole thread here told em nothing else then there is an issue because of COPYING WARS.
ZO writes professional articles here sice months till his fingers are bleeding.
They ignore it ...and implemented a fix what will remove a feature and will not fix the issue.
And people like you give em candy for burning our money. Unbelieveble... ! |
Musiaba Schenoly
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Posted - 2012.11.29 11:00:00 -
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In addition to explain what I meant btw:
Here the last quote from current thread about recent Dev Blog "Bounties, Kill rights, new modules and war in Retribution" - where our issue is posted by some ppl also and of course not valued with a comment - like other things ( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174504&p=15).
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Cordo Draken wrote:Vilnius Zar wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:"We're not going to bother explaining why we did it this way even though we've been asked multiple times by multiple people. We're just going to ask you to trust us even though we've often demonstrated in the past that we screw new features up in ways players predict prior to launch." CCP: new feature! players: lol, that's gonna cause these and these problems, we'll bug report it BH: working as intended! players: CCP, honestly... that's just gonna go wrong because of A and B reasons CCP: nah looks good, lets do it! :launch: :3 months later: tiny dev blog: it looks as if this new feature has gone slightly wrong because of A and B reasons and completely messes up players/market/balance (pick two). We didn't realise this, sorry guys players: NO **** A certain Dev a while back gave me crap because I suggested editing their OP to link an important update they posted which was buried within a 60 page plus thread, because I didn't have the time to wade through to find that post. Yet it's funny how they pick and choose what they'll somewhat answer here, blatantly ignoring major issues that we, the paying community, bring up in advance. They only answer the simple question while sidestepping what we know to be a broken mechanic. Is it Pride? I truly don't understand the neglegence... Especially when a issue is known far in advance. Any non-snide honest detailed answer to the major issues slated in this thread Devs?
I posted this because I m bit worried about the follow-up if the fix wont work like assumed here already weeks ago and 13k ppl still trapped - without communication from ccp that they have understand what the REAL problems with the war dec mechanics are.
Because only then we could hope about betterments in the near future.
I feel already since some days much less activity in some of the stucked alliances because of the enduring war-spam and really fading anticipation about upcoming Retribution features. |
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